[Dx-qsl] The Future?

Mon Jan 6 14:41:32 EST 2014

This will be my last post. If the award is gonna be for a dxcc for remote operations only then that would be alright in my mind. If not then it is cheating, plain and simple and the award becomes meaningless
How people can even consider this as anything else baffles me.
I guess everyone must live with there own conscience.
73 NR6M

ex: KF7NMD
Sincerely,
Rex Turvin
www.nr6m.com
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 From: Tom Wylie <tgwylie at virginmedia.com>
To: Steve Lund <k6um.steve at gmail.com>; Murray Green (K3BEQ) <mgreen at erols.com> 
Cc: DX Posts <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] The Future?

We recently had a great discussion in the UK about remote operation and 
DXCC.
Personally, to me the internet is just an extension mike, keylead and 
headphone lead.    HOWEVER,
for DXCC purposes,  I cannot operate a remote station lets say in 
Canada,  and add to my DXCC total
from Scotland.  The transmitter and aerial are in a different DXCC Country.
Would I have to hold a personal VE licence to operate a transmitter in 
Canada whether by remote means or if
I am actually there.  That could be one form of test, but I bet the 
licensing authorities have not even heard
of remote operation.
I do know that in the UK I am responsbible for those whom I allow to 
operate my station and my licence has particular
instruction in that possibility.  EG  I am not allowed to let 
unlicensed people speak into my microphone - with a couple of exceptions.
I would have to verify that any remote user was properly licensed, but 
where.  In Europe we have CEPT, so my licence and most
other European licences are good within europe.  We merely add the 
location of the country we are operating from, to our call,  like
DL/GM4FDM,    F/GM4FDM, so it is clear where qwe are operating from.  I 
am also sure that the CEPT licence does NOT permit remote
operation.
Again, personally I have no problem with remote operation from within 
one's own country.  Like I build a big 4 element yagi for 80m
on top of a mountain and operate it remotely from home.  Thats clearly 
OK.    OK, so the USA is a big place, but going by
MY principles if a W6 (real) operated a remote station is say, Maine,  
because he is still within his own DXCC Country, I guess
I'd have to accept that and let that go.  You may feel that is 
unsportsmanlike for 160 or 80m but I guess technically no laws are being 
broken.
No DXCC rules are being broken.
I'm not sure if there are distances involved, perhaps some of the more 
knowledgable might say,  but if I move house from Glasgow to Aberdeen 
(I'm still in Scotland) so it would not affect my DXCC standings or 
ratings.  I would just carry on as usual.
What happens in the US or Canada?    If a California station re-located 
to New York,  does his DXCC status remain the same and he can add to his 
current totals from New York?  IF HE CAN, then what is different about 
a Californian operating a New York station remotely or vice versa.
If a Californian wants to operate a remote station in England, then that 
would be totally different.
My 2p worth.
Tom
GM4FDM
On 06/01/2014 18:00, Steve Lund wrote:
> The Qs certainly count for DXCC now.
>> I would think this would be difficult to change. Who would be policing it?
>> These remotes certainly skew statistics. Many of the W6/7 stations listed
> for Zone 3 in the 1A0KM log actually used east coast remotes. Pretty
> obvious when you see 10m Qs at 13Z - several hours before sunrise. Those
> 80m Qs during sunlight are pretty questionable, too!
>> For a few $$,ドル I could have that 3000 bar for my DXCC Challenge plaque.
>> Steve, K6UM
>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Murray Green (K3BEQ) <mgreen at erols.com>wrote:
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>>>> One question that comes to mind from a DX view point is: "If someone works
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>> Another is contesting and how that fits into the scheme of things. _I
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>> year. Perhaps some of these questions have already been answered.
>>  Comments._
>>>> 73, Murray K3BEQ
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