[Dx-qsl] [DX-CHAT] F Y I

Sun May 20 12:13:12 EDT 2012

As I didn't rate a mention, I assume you do not respect my opinion. I 
did not post this message nor do I approve of messages being cross 
posted from one group to another without my express permission.
If the data was taken from exopeditions some 20 years ago then LOTW did 
not exist and is therefore irrelevant to the current context.
I merely made an observation based upon my own experience, as a DXer, 
expeditioner and as a QSL manager, managing other people's logs.
I will say it again, just for clarity.
In MY experience whether or not a log is loaded up to LOTW, it makes 
little perceivable difference in the number of direct QSL cards 
received. I am basing this on the percentage of cards requested to 
overall QSOs made, within a 6 month period of the expedition ending.
Full stop.
Tom
GM4FDM
On 20/05/2012 16:21, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments
> quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context. If the context had been
> clearer, he might not have asked the question.
>>>> Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the
> presentations, was on the cost of major DXpeditions. It was an analysis of
> at least 20-25 such groups over the last few years, data that they
> voluntarily provided to him, or were required to provide as part of the
> donation conditions given to them by NCDXF and other DX foundations. If I
> recall correctly, the time span was about 20 years - and my only quibble
> with his data is that I don't believe that he adjusted the numbers for
> inflation.
>>>> With that in mind, also consider that he explicitly stated that as the
> treasurer for one of the groups involved, it was HIS observation based on
> the QSL requests that crossed HIS desk, that the donations& contributions
> that came with QSL requests dwindled from a few a day to almost nothing,
> once the major log upload to Logbook of the World happened.
>>>> And, several of the groups he talked with told him the same thing - nor did
> it matter if the LotW upload was 3 months, 6 months, or a year after the
> trip was over.
>>>> Is this true for every group? Probably not, as there are many unique
> factors in every DXpedition. One can argue about sample size, and other
> factors. But, that's not the point.
>>>> Roger may well ask how does Doug know, but only because the original tweet
> took one single line, out of context. And that context explained, in
> detail, how he did so.
>>>> Finally, Doug also stated that his analysis, and the PowePoint presentation
> he used, would be made available on the NCDXF web site. I'm sure it's going
> to take him a few days, between getting home and recovering from Dayton, but
> it will be there.
>>>> I'd respectfully suggest that if anyone disagrees with his numbers or
> analysis, take a look at it FIRST and then discuss it - with Doug.
>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>> _____
>> From: kf2ti at njdxa.org [mailto:kf2ti at njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM
> To: dx-chat; dxnl at dxhf.darc.de
> Cc: dx-qsl
> Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I
>>>> How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to
> LoTW? He has never tried it!
> Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>> From: Tom Wylie
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
> To: Trevor Dunne
> Cc: Roger Western ; CDXC at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E
>>> Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there
> are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical
> logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their
> position, and can be considered a red herring.
>> In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions
> myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no
> matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the
> number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I
> uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
> hundreds via the buro in addition.
>> Tom
> GM4FDM
>> On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
>> Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
>> night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,
>>>> NCDXF (@NCDXF)
>> 19/05/2012 20:10
>> Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: "The minute the LOTW
>> upload happens, you might as well close the bank account."
>>>> Goes against the general feeling posted here,
>>>> Trevor
>> EI2GLB
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