[Dx-qsl] [NCDXC Chat] NCDXC question of the week

Mon Dec 17 15:42:21 EST 2012

Jim,
I like your comments. Being a new ham (less than 2 years) most of the unique ones are new ones for me. I enjoy getting thru a pileup. I have a very modest station, most of it thanks to many old timers giving me advice and hands on assistance.
I know that everyone has the right to work this Dxpeditions. It seems to me that many, not all by any means, has lost a sense of courtesy to others. It starts with those that intentional tune up on the DX freq, and especially those that do not listen to the instructions of the DX operator. especially those that continue to call even though the DX operator is calling someone specific.
I especially respect the operators of the ZL9HR expedition. This was completely a new one for me. These op's would go beyond the distance to complete a qso even when many many stations continued to call. I even heard them tell a few they would not be in the log if the did not listen.
I'm not sure how things were in the ham community many years ago but I must think that coutresy was present or many of you would not have continued the hobby.
I do not ask for special consideration because I'm a new ham. I just just ask for the same courtesy that I give everyone else.
I am not trying to offend or start an argument. Just putting my opinion out.
73 NR6M

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Rex Turvin
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The ham community would likely be further fractured along the lines of "big pistol--little pistol" in both economic and station power terms with this funding approach . It seems to me the old guys, myself included, pretty much have worked all--or nearly so. The new, young participants we so badly need to keep our spectrum face the "wall" of guys filling band slots for the rare ones while to the new guy it's an overall new one---do you remember that feeling?   So, why would he contribute?... How does he compete---as everyone of us did in our early years---with 100 watts and a dipole?  What does this have to do with how it's financed, you may ask? Well, if  you chip in you expect a qso--or you are a bloody saint. Refunds and all that are fine,(but a big process nonetheless, run by? ) many small trips make sense etc. but the idea North American hams will be picking up the bulk of the tab--the historic record--cools my interest given the idea that
 "buying" a count is further encouraged and the image of the ugly American grows...  Frankly I think those of us with the big numbers should be in payback mode for the good of the hobby--we should be solicited aggressively for funding and voluntarily wait out the early days of any expedition we already have in the log...and I can hear the screaming on that one, so, hey--it's a hobby, not a medical emergency.....(as a side comment--more than a few times while in FO or T2 I asked the pile up to stand by for the low power for 5 minutes or the new one, etc. It worked because when some W8 blasted back with 4kw I called him out--some of you know who I mean-- and told him to come back tomorrow---MOST big guns get that and many told me to listen for "the qrp" or "the kid from the midwest"...hell, they enjoyed helping, the rest you call on it).
It's good we are addressing this but we are not bound to high cost expeditions. Hams are a global market segment that buy more than ICOMS---perhaps a bit of work on that may surface a corporate sponsor beyond the rig providers. Do we have hams with that expertise? I suspect yes.  In that vein I still strongly believe we do a lousy job on cost control when each group must start from scratch on the most basic things. Credible groups. a managed equipment pool (NCDXF, you're on) valid targets with experienced members backed a bit by we old dudes and using that pool of equipment flown in by...FORD?  (--and bringing a science team and a National Geographic photographer with them for the PR)  strikes me as a far more durable  model than dumping decision making on any one group and making them sort through what to do when funding falls short, the "I didn't get a qso and gave $$$" starts, forcing them to build, with volunteers, a sizeable record keeping
 process,etc. Great question and timely as all get out.  JIM  K8JRK
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Andreas Junge <andreas at n6nu.org> wrote:
>From: Andreas Junge <andreas at n6nu.org>
>Subject: Re: [NCDXC Chat] NCDXC question of the week
>To: chat at ncdxc.org
>Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 8:46 AM
>>>Paul, 
>>>first of all - thanks for your/George's and Mike's excellent presentation at the NCDXC Luncheon!
>>>I have been wondering why it always has to be done in form of Mega Expeditions. There are lots of groups of two and three and they are activating fairly rare places. Why not do 4 smaller expeditions every other year vs one Mega Expedition every 10 years? Pile-ups would be smaller and maybe the expeditions can focus on low bands vs high bands …
>>>73,
>>>Andreas, N6NU
>>> 
>On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:30 AM, <paul at n6pse.com> <paul at n6pse.com> wrote:
>>Here is the NCDXC question of the week:
>> 
>>We all know that DXpedition funding is a big challenge these days. Is it time for a complete paradigm shift in how DXpeditions are funded?
>> 
>>For example, there are entities such as Bouvet/Crozet that could be activated relatively easily assuming that proper funding was available. Those that are currently leading DXpeditions to rare destinations are reluctant to launch such an endeavor because of the uncertainty of funding. 
>> 
>>What if a group were to determine a likely budget figure such as 500,000ドル and then announce that once they have raised the funding, they will set a date for their DXpedition and make it a reality.  Perhaps the organizers could specify that all funds are collected by the NCDXF and then dispensed once the goal is met. 
>> 
>>How would this approach be accepted by the DX Community?
>> 
>>The current model of making a donation with your OQRS or a few bucks in the envelope does not work for this kind of DXpedition and requires the organizers to carry too much financial risk. 
>>>>What are your thoughts?
>> 
>>Paul N6PSE
>> 
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