[Dx-qsl] [CDXC] LoTW

Thu Nov 18 16:36:54 EST 2010

Ron,
Thanks for your views. Please see my replies under each of your paragraphs.
73, Murray, K3BEQ
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Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> Murray,
>> For technical reasons known only to Verizon, I can't sent a plain text 
> message from my online web account. So even though I am only sending 
> this to you due to technical difficulties, it is not a "private" 
> message and you may reply to the reflector with it.
>> That being said...
>> In cases (and I don't know of any offhand) where a "donation" is de 
> facto required to get a Logbook of the World or eQSL confirmation -- 
> in other words, no cash, no upload, period -- then I agree with you.
*** (It would be good to know that. Maybe DX-QSL Post users can provide 
information.)
> However, in all fairness to the 5V guys... my understanding is that 
> the "early" LotW upload is meant as a thank-you to those who chose to 
> make a donation. There WILL be, as far as I know, a complete log 
> upload at a later point in time. This is an incentive for people to 
> use their Online QSL Request Service (and save them the time to go 
> through paper cards, print & mail the returns, and store the cards).
 ***(Rather not point fingers at a particular operation. I support 
donations but it gives a false impression when associating it with the 
LOTW program coupled with
initial uploads confirmation for those who pay. Recognize that it is a 
clever way of obtaining contributions without having to spend funds to 
answer the request.
It would be interesting to read the stats on just how many of us use 
only LOTW, vs those who use it and also request a card together with a 
donation?
>> Now, I am not saying that this is either right or wrong, fair or 
> unfair to those who worked them. I could argue the point either way, 
> although personally I'd prefer if they just
did one big upload at a certain point in time and be done with it. But 
I can see why it is done that way.
> My point is just that there's a big difference between providing an 
> incentive and holding out for a bribe.
***(Agree. And I would hope the latter is not, now will be, an issue.)
>> Something to ponder as we try to rally the mob to start lighting the 
> torches.
>> 73, ron w3wn
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>>> Nov 18, 2010 01:38:12 PM, mgreen at erols.com wrote:
>> Ref AC7DX's comments concerning payment for a LOTW confirmation.
> Ron is
> absolutely correct. It is patently wrong
> to charge for that confirmation if it does not include a return QSL
> card. The latter is understandable considering postages,
> etc.
>> In view of the various comments, where does the ARRL DX Committee
> stand
> on this, as well as the DXCC Desk and
> the numerous editors of DX columns, Emails and blogs? The silent
> majority awaits your views.
>> 73 Murray, K3BEQ
> ----------------------------------------
>> Ron Lago wrote:
> > Might complain to ARRL Dx desk and the sponsers.
> > 73
> > Ron
> >
> > On 11/18/2010 2:20 AM, Tom Wylie wrote:
> >
> >> I will not subject myself to the blackmail of these groups who
> demand
> >> dollars BEFORE putting your QSOs onto LOTW.
> >>
> >> In this instance I did not need 5V7 in any case, but i refuse to be
> >> blackmailed and its time the amateur community
> >> made known to these groups that this practuise must cease and
> will not
> >> be tolerated.
> >>
> >> It is my experience that over my past 4 expeditions, uploading
> QSOs to
> >> LOTW during or immeditely after the expeditions makes NO DIFFERENCE
> >> WHATSOEVER to the number of direct cards received. If there is a
> >> difference it is so small as to be inconsequential.
> >>
> >> Sponsors should make it clear to these groups that if they receive
> >> sponsorship, then this practise must cease.
> >>
> >> I no longer see any justifiction whatsoever to even delay an
> LOTW upload
> >> for 6 months. The folk that want a paper card, still want a paper
> >> card. Not everybody subscribes to LOTW.Regards
> >>
> >> Tom
> >> GM4FDM
> >>
> >> On 18/11/2010 07:38, Andy P Hewitt wrote:
> >>
> >>> After making a donation to the 5V7TT OQSL system yesterday,
> today I see that
> >>> all of my QSOs have now been uploaded to LoTW, and, I will be
> getting the
> >>> paper QSLs too!
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>>
> >>> Andy G3SVD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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