[Dx-qsl] Deleted entry

Mon Mar 31 20:54:27 EST 2008

Ron:
The reason I asked the question was that in several instances, including Germany, I have cards for contacts that were made before the date the entity was added to the deleted list. The footnote on the DXCC list says something similar to "only for contacts PRIOR to" such and such a date, or "only for contacts AFTER" such and such a date. So I made a contact with the entity prior to the date it was put on the delete list, and then again for the "new" rules applying to the entity.
So .. for instance .. with Germany. I have several contacts with there prior to when it was put on the deleted list, and several recent contacts with Germany, which I guess is now called the GDR, or the "one whole Germany"...
Germany is on the DXCC lists twice ... one referring to the deleted list which says only good for contacts prior to such and such a date, and the second Germany entry which is guess for when Germany became "one country" and not when it was divided.
So .. I surmise from what everyone has been saying .. that when it comes to applying for DXCC and when it comes to counting my totals, I don't have just ONE Germany (or country) .. but TWO (countries) because I made a contact before it was put on the deleted list and again recently .. or after the wall came down.
Ray
Hi Ray,
Sorry to be answering this so late, but I'm trying to get caught up on my
email here.
The question is, which Germany did you work, when?
Let's start with the resumption of Amateur Radio after WW 2. There was only
one "Germany" on the DXCC list... call it Post-War Germany. That's the
Germany that is on the Deleted List right now, and if you worked someone up
until the time it was deleted in 1973, it still counts.
Post-War Germany was deleted 16 September 1973. If I recall the date
correctly, this was about the time that the Federal Republic of Germany (W
Germany) and German Democratic Republic (E Germany) were admitted to the UN.
Why the change then and not before? I don't recall reading the reasoning at
the time, but I think it's safe to assume that there was no reasonable
expectation at that point that the two countries would become one again for
the forseeable future. If you worked a station in either entity from that
point forward until 1990, they count for the respective entity.
03 October 1990 marks the date that, following the political changes in
Eastern Europe, the two parts of the former Post-War Germany reunited. Now
here's where it gets a little tricky. The FRG absorbed the GDR... the FRG
remains. So... QSO's with the former GDR from 16 September 1973 to 03
October 1990 count as the deleted GDR entity. BUT -- QSO's with the FRG
count from 16 September 1973 to this day, since that was the "surviving"
political entity. (Now had the two merged into one, not one absorbing the
other, the situation would have been different, but that's not the way
things happened).
As a practical matter, we call the current or active DXCC entity "Germany."
But it's full name is the Federal Republic of Germany, which is NOT the same
DXCC country/entity as the now deleted (Post-War) Germany.
Therefore... it is possible to have worked the one station or amateur
operator three times, and have it count as three different entities, all
from the same QTH. It's all in the timing!
[For example, if you worked & confirmed Hans DM0XXXX in 1972, you have a
Germany(Deleted) credit; if you worked & confirmed him as Y99XXXX in 1989,
you have a GDR(Deleted) credit; and if you worked & confirmed him last
summer as DG0XXXX, you have an FRG, aka Germany(active), credit.]
Now, does a country count after it's been put on the Deleted List? Yes, but
ONLY for QSO's made during the period of time that the country/entity still
existed. (And no more will be added to that list, but that's another story)
Hope this helps!
73, ron w3wn