[Dx-qsl] Peter One

Thu Jun 1 18:23:55 EDT 2006

And don't forget the cost of chasing after the guys who don't send envelopes
to their Incoming BURO sorter. I have cards for close to 500 callsigns but
no envelopes... and I am only the Letter B sorter! I good bit of every card
sorters time is spent sending notices to those that have cards waiting but
no envelopes on file to mail them, and there's a good bit of expense
involved in those mailings and other similar tasks.
73, Jerry K3BZ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Wheatley KU9C" <ku9c at ku9c.com>
To: "Danny Douglas" <n7dc at vabb.com>; "rayfri" <rayfri at highstream.net>
Cc: <DX-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Peter One
> Ray,
>> I think a number of dxpeditions have published their expenses. It's 
> considerable.
>> Lets say that isn't an issue. But do this math. I'm plugging thru the 
> YX0 cards. I've easily got 15000 envelopes sitting in front of me.
>> If they were ALL USA envelopes, without SASE, postage is 5,850ドル. If they 
> were all DX envelopes, without SASE, postage is 12,600ドル. That's an awful 
> expensive bill to fund.
>> An alternative, of course, is to just feel comfortable that 'i know i 
> worked it'. I don't need a QSL to prove that. However, there are these 
> awards.......
>> 73
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: rayfri <rayfri at highstream.net>
> Date: 2006年6月01日 14:41:59 -0600
>>>You know ... it USED to be an informal rule in the hobby (and I'm going
>>to be dating myself with this one ... but I admit I have been in this
>>hobby since the early 60s)... that "The final courtesy of a QSO is a
>>QSL"... We didnt used to "charge" someone else
>>for our card ... not even an SASE was requested most of the time. I
>>sent my card and requested one and got one back. That usually took
>>place EVEN IF the other party didnt want mine in the first place. If I
>>asked for one, the other ops were usually courteous enough to send one
>>of theirs ... they knew I was probably going for some award.
>>>>It even worked that way with DX stations. Now days, unless youre going
>>through a bureau, if you want a card, it seems that you have to PAY for
>>that card ... a greenstamp, an IRC or some other form of "payment".
>>>>We may have sent some money to a DXpedition group before they left ..
>>but it wasnt really expected that we would. The ops went on the
>>DXpedition because they WANTED to ... It was their "vacation" if you
>>will. I dont know how the rest of you do things .. but I sure as heck
>>dont pay for my neighbors vacation to Disneyland with expectations that
>>the neighbor family will bring me back a mug or a T-shirt or anything
>>like that. Donating to support a DXpedition was the exception, not the
>>rule .... It seems to be the rule now days for some reason.
>>>>I've done a few "special event station" operations .. which, granted,
>>arent as expensive as a DXpedition. During the 2002 Winter Olympics,
>>we worked over two thousand stations. While it was mentioned that SASE
>>was appreciated, it was NOT madatory that an SASE be sent ... or a
>>greenstamp either.. A lot of stations did, and a lot didnt. Even
>>those who didnt got a card. The only thing
>>that occured is that it might have taken a bit longer to get a non SASE
>>card sent out .. but that was because it was faster to stuff a card into
>>an SASE. Those without were worked on as quickly as possible though.
>>>>This "expectation" of "payment" of some sort seems to be all part of
>>today's societal philosophy of "what's in it for ME?"....
>>>>If I were to decide to go someplace and conduct a DXpedition, I wouldnt
>>ask anyone for "contributions" and wouldnt expect to get "paid" in some
>>manner for a QSL card in return. After all, it's a HOBBY not a
>>profession.
>>>>Just my two cents worth.... And anyone who want, is free to throw
>>stones at me now ... or rotten tomatoes. HI HI
>>>>Ray WA7ITZ
>>>>Danny Douglas wrote:
>>>>>I have heard enough. First of all, the expediton got out a lot of cards 
>>>as
>>>faster or faster than any other dxpediton I remember. Usually we wait 
>>>while
>>>the organizers seem to juggle around to get a design, for weeks. Then 
>>>they
>>>wait until they know how many incoming envelopes they receive, in order 
>>>to
>>>not over-order cards. Then and only then they get around to starting to
>>>fill out responses. This group got that done in a quick hurry.
>>>>>>Now - I disagree with the methodology of going thru incoming envelopes, 
>>>and
>>>taking "contributions" out and stacking the envelopes according to how 
>>>much
>>>was in the envelope. To me that smacks of buying a card. I believe in 
>>>the
>>>idea of "first in- first out". Its great that people want to help 
>>>balance
>>>the finances of such an expedition, and I guess that this is all figured 
>>>in
>>>when the budget is decided before the trip is completely planned and
>>>underway. I just dont feel that my, or anyone elses, financial status or
>>>contribution should figure in with the rate of card returns. I suspect 
>>>in
>>>this case that the incoming envelopes were opened and some arbitrary
>>>stacking system was used, after the contributions were removed. Probably
>>>stacks of 100ドル or over, 75 or over, 50 or over, etc. down to those who
>>>simply put in a SASE (which I would almost bet is the majority).
>>>>>>Now, that many have blown off steam, its time to stop and just wait for 
>>>your
>>>card. The group has no idea if your health is poor, if you are going to
>>>move next week, or its your last ever needed card - nor frankly, should 
>>>any
>>>of those reasons make any difference to how quickly you get your card.
>>>Lets wait until they tell us all the cards have been responded to. Then,
>>>and only then should we send an email and ask. Your emails are slowing
>>>things down now, and causing the rest of us to wait longer - with you. 
>>>When
>>>the card comes - I will have it. If I die first, it want make a tinkers
>>>dam when or if it comes.
>>>\
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Jack - K4WSB" <K4WSB at arrl.net>
>>>To: "HK3CW" <cwdude at gmail.com>; <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:03 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Peter One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amen,
>>>>>>>>All you complainers and conspiracy believers should try and be a QSL
>>>>manager sometime... especially for a station putting several hundred
>>>>(thousand) QSO's daily into the log. How long do you think it takes to
>>>>sort the mail, open the envelope, check the log, print a QSL, stuff and
>>>>lick the envelope and get it to the mailbox?
>>>>>>>>I caught the tail end of a discussion at the ICOM booth during the 
>>>>Dayton
>>>>hamfest. They had just finished several thousand(S) and got them in the
>>>>mail just before leaving for Dayton.
>>>>>>>>For those that belive BIG BUCKS get served first: if it was me those
>>>>>>>>>>>cards
>>>>>>>>>>would be mailed out as soon as the expedition was over, otherwise how 
>>>>long
>>>>would it take to sort through the sacks to find the envelopes from those
>>>>stations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>At 07:47 AM 6/1/2006 -0500, HK3CW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crap...the speed that you receive your QSL is directly proportional to
>>>>>your patience. Why the big fuzz about it? Can't you wait, do you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>ops or are going to steal your freakin 2 dollars? or 10 or 15 ...
>>>>>Get a life people!
>>>>>>>>>>73 de HK3CW so..I have not rcvd my qsl either...so what??
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" <n4nw at n4nw.org>
>>>>>To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 6:55 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Peter One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The speed in which you will receive your QSL is directly proportional 
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the amount of money you sent to support the operation!
>>>>>>>>>>>>At 10:26 PM 05/31/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is there anyone on the list who sent their card around 27 Feb and
>>>>>>>contributed what they could and how they could who does not have a 
>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yet ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just wondering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And getting suspicious; I'd like to make a comment but won't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you
>>>>>>>Matt WV1K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jack Hartley
>>>>>>K4WSB
>>>>>>ARRL - QCWA - OOTC
>>>>>>DXCC Honor Roll
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