Both of these are good units for guys planning on antenna/tower work. http://cgi.ebay.com/AB-CHANCE-ELECTRIC-CAPSTAN-HOIST-LINEMAN-TOOL-WINCH_W0QQitemZ320072900359QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63939QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Winch-Thern-4000lb-hand-vertical-lift-hydraulic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26446QQihZ006QQitemZ160077188062QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW no affiliation, I just saw these listed. ----------------------------------------------------- How can there be self-help "groups"? ----------------------------------------------------- Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080 weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org