There are some commercial verticals you might want to consider. Here are some I have found interesting for a similar situation Forces 12 Sigma 40XK 40 thru 10 meters http://force12inc.com/sigma40XKinfo-001.htm Force 12 Sigma 5 20 thru 10 meters http://force12inc.com/sigma5info-003.htm Quicksilver HF portable antennas 20 thru 10 meters http://www.qsradio.com/mm20.htm Super Antennas portable (vertical?) dipole http://www.superantennas.com/___Products/Yagi/Dipole_System/dipole_system.ht ml The Buddipole - use vertically or horizontally or any other way http://www.qsl.net/w3ff/ http://www.buddipole.com/ There are many other options for 'tuned' portable antennas. A lot of the mobile antennas can be rigged to work from a motel window/balcony. 73 de Jim WA6PX, FISTS #8802 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Terry Fletcher Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Antennas] Vacation antenna ? I'll be travelling often in retirement and would like to operate from motels. Has anyone had experience operating from motels and have some suggestions on hf antennas to to use? I've tried arandom wire out the window using a tuner for 20M, without much success. Thanks for any info.... 73, Terry, WA�ITP - - - Your moderator for this list is: Larry Wilson KE1HZ [email protected] _______________________________________________ Antennas mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/antennas