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comma before 'including' [preposition]: in the play, including, Lady

PHart

Senior Member
English - United States
Is my sentence clear the way it is:

However, women in the play, including Lady Macbeth and the three witches serve as sources of destruction and evil, particularly for Macbeth.

Thanks.
What about if there were more than two persons after including?
I just learned that after including we use semicolon,
Many friends attended the party including; x , y, z and b.
Is this correct?
What about if there were more than two persons after including?
I just learned that after including we use semicolon,
Many friends attended the party including; x , y, z and b.
Is this correct?

No, that's not correct at all. Personally, I would punctuate it this way:
Many friends attended the party, including Bob, Bill, Sally and Anne.

Perhaps someone meant to say colon, rather than semicolon. But here, I would still use the comma.
I just found an example from DISCRIMINATION AGAINST TEENAGERS IN THE MALL ENVIRONMENT: A CASE FROM ANKARA, TURKEY by Mugan, Guli that would make my sentence correct:

"It is also important to note that exclusion of certain individuals including teenagers from social spaces can pass unnoticed."

What do you make of the lack of commas?
I just found an example from DISCRIMINATION AGAINST TEENAGERS IN THE MALL ENVIRONMENT: A CASE FROM ANKARA, TURKEY by Mugan, Guli that would make my sentence correct:

"It is also important to note that exclusion of certain individuals including teenagers from social spaces can pass unnoticed."

What do you make of the lack of commas?

I would set "including teenagers" off in commas myself. Commas are often a matter of personal taste, and are ultimately designed to help understanding. If the sentence can be understood without them, many people go for the minimalist approach and leave them out. Here, I think "teenagers" are being singled out for closer inspection, so I think commas help in that task.
No, that's not correct at all. Personally, I would punctuate it this way:
Many friends attended the party, including Bob, Bill, Sally and Anne.

Perhaps someone meant to say colon, rather than semicolon. But here, I would still use the comma.

Yes, that's right. I went back to my book and it was colon not semicolon. It's written that we use colon when making a list. Is this a list I mean Bob, Sally and Bill ?
Yes, that's right. I went back to my book and it was colon not semicolon. It's written that we use colon when making a list. Is this a list I mean Bob, Sally and Bill ?

I don't use a colon with "including" -- I do it the way I illustrated. I'm more inclined to use a colon if there is an abrupt announcement of a list, like this...
Four people attended the party: Bob, Bill, Sally and Anne.
Copyright, I appreciate your interpretation of the example I gave. But back to my original sentence, do you have the same take: you yourself would put a comma after witches, but it is ultimately based on opinion and it could still be understood without it? Because my teacher likes a minimalist approach to English.

Thank you.
No, you MUST have a comma after "witches" if you use one before "including."

You are setting off "including Lady Macbeth and the three witches" as a clause that modifies "women in the play." It is incorrect not to include it.

The only alternative is to drop BOTH commas around that clause. That wouldn't please me but you could ask your instructor for guidance in order to please him or her. :)
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